DUST Search - This Origin event is garbage

CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

It IS a bit of a redundant subject... BUT, actually the idea that the event is alternately a scheme to "push" Origin Packs is one of the things I LIKE in this game, entertainment-wise.

Let's make no mistake, a "Free" game (website, bicycle, dinner, etc) means PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE,... "Free" is just the catch phrase used by almost everbody who's marketting a product to you. The agency who's paying for the "free" thing, hopes to profit on the money they're spending, by getting SOMETHING from the free-users (namely, you and me). LOL, we shouldn't have a fit about that... that's business!

Sony is the agency "paying" for your free use of Dust, so CCP agrees to push Sony-profitable items wherever/whenever.
I don't mind---I think the way they've incorporated it into the "mercenary" mindset of the game is cool, and downright fun to read!

The #1 pleasure of walking around in the warbarge was, for me, hearing the woman promoting Aurum. Promoting it like it was as steriod. "...makes you do FASTER", "short on time?--get AURUM". Confident, almost bedroom voice, "pushing" the "fast-way-to-muscle-up" in this game. I wish we'd have that bombarding our living quarter's video screen too--it would be hilarious!

Dust 514 is not intended to "help" you play well. That, they want you to GRIND in order to develop. It's deliciously devious, but it falls in line with the way that the devs never seem urgently concerned with improving tutorial menus, offering ISK-free training modes, or special events that are free of CATCHES or CONDITIONS (call them, New Eden tricks).
Heck, the greatest "trick" CCP pulled on players, is making you think that the "math" of the gear/vehicles/hitpoints will determine your success. (Your combat resourcefullness and ability to interact strategically with fellow players are what determine that--those are the two tools CCP deviously hinted for us to win the matches with).

The math that some of us get steamed up about and call rubbish (but secretly are still hooked on like the rest of us---come on, you know you love this math like the statistician-betters at the casinos who think they've figured out a winning system),... this math is just the fun frosting flavoring the cake---it's still a GRIND-cake. Blink

It's always a GRIND cake. Derrith, it's always going to be a GRIND cake.

!!!!

Correction.... it's always a grind cake, WITH a built-in incentive to purchase a Sony-profitable steriod (like Aurum, or an Active-Booster, or Aur-pack with booster included, etc). Sony agreed to pay our membership-accounts in the game, so it's only business that they get their products promoted in "generous SP events" like this.

As long as you don't raise your expectations above what I explained here, you stay mellow and the promotions don't deceive you TOO much. Maybe in fun, CCP's promotions are MEANT to deceive and be ambiguous. To me it's like Ishukone, Duvalle, Lai Dai, etc pushing whatever tech product they can on mercs: we're the new boys (and GALS) on the New Eden block, and there's just as much profit to be made by pushing "rubbish" events and tech to us, as there is from pushing "GOOD" events and gear to us. New Eden is devilish, but SO entertaining. Big smile

Incidentally, Derrith, I like your character name. Always cool to see unpretentious but original, non-earthly names created by players for New Eden.

The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs.


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Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1685	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:35:00 - [1] - Quote Not sure if anyone has gotten to this yet, but this event just from looking at it, is looking like complete garbage to me. I will explain this argument the best way I can, through math. Getting a kill with a regular suit gets you 50 sp a kill, correct? getting a kill with an origin suit gets you 100 sp a kill, right? The max you can get from this is 500,000 sp, correct? Lets now do the math. Say you're a cheap douchewad and buy only one origin pack. You get, if I'm correct, 40 suits in total from a single origin pack. So lets divide 500,000 and 100. 500,000 /100 5,000 You need to get 5,000 kills with that one origin pack. Now lets go ahead and find out how many kills you need to make per origin suit. 5,000 /40 125 Throughout this week, you have to maintain a 125 KD/r to get the max grind, statistically speaking, I have yet to see a single person, through lower tier or upper tier ranks, whom are able to accomplish this, not even a "proto stomper". If a proto guy can't do this, how could a lower tier guy do this? (don't say Duna, he's a tanker) Now let's plug this in a typical domination spammer. A dom takes around 20 minutes (give or take a few minutes), and against total noobs, I can drop a 30 bomb each game provided I have a dedicated logi repping my fat butt (origin suits don't have a heavy suit). along with orbitals Let's say that I have a life, a job, and a family, and I can only play for 2 hours each day. I can play six doms a day. Best case scenario, I get 30 each maatch, lets do the math on that. 30 x6 150 Now let's multiply that by 7 for the whole week. 150 x7 1050 If someone managed to pull that off in origin suits, which is statistically impossible, they would be short this much. 5000 kills - 1050 kills 3950 kill still needed to go Now let's do the math without origin suits, which will be the more likely route. 5000x2= 10,000 taking the origin bonus out of the equation, players are forced to get 10,000 kills in a one week period, with foot soldier suits. Now let's see the math done on this. 10,000 - 1,050 8,950 Now lets look at the top killer on the leaderboard, who has I believe around 150,000 lifetime kills. You are asking a whole community to get a fifteenth of what took him a full year and more to get, how in the hell are most people with jobs, families and lives supposed to do this challenge? Anyway, there's my rant, I'll be coming back with one concerning hot black babes, more aerial vehicles and buffalo wings next time. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1688	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:43:00 - [2] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Alex-P-Keaton Kramer wrote: your thread is garbage lol You are garbage. But on topic. The event is one big promotion to the origins pack. I'm trying to get this event less grindy. As CCP has stated multiple times, they've agreed their events are quite grindy, and have said they want to move away from that. It is statistically impossible for anyone but a no lifer (like myself) to get this event fully capped out. I'm thinking about people who don't have the time for this crap. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1688	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:45:00 - [3] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Boo hoo you cant get full SP Go QQ about something else This isn't about that, I don't care for the SP. I've already got around 38 mil plus. I'm trying to look out for people who have lives and don't want to spend a full week in their underwear smelling like they don't shower to accomplish this. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1688	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:46:00 - [4] - Quote Kaminoikari wrote: Similar thread was already made pointing out the exact same shit. Nice reiteration, I guess. I plan to go about it capping my active SP so I can get my proto commando faster. Like i said, I didn't know if this was already taken care of, if it was, and I'm just restating the obvious, I apologize. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1688	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:48:00 - [5] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: I think that's 500k SP in total... You might be missing all the WP-SP from uplinks, nanohives, revives, Squad leader points, Frago points (Defense/Attack), Vehicle damage points and so on... You can get this WP and SP cap faster by being a full on logi and equipment spammer... I'd be capped by Friday To hit that 10mil ISK, you need to kill 2000 clones this week. Which is not very difficult. Those go to a different pool, Nav, the SP you get from the bonus and the sp you get from the double cap are separate, if I read it correctly. I don't really care about the 10 mil isk, to be honest, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to hand it to some poor hobo on a whim. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1690	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:49:00 - [6] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Boo hoo you cant get full SP Go QQ about something else Basically this. People need to get over the concept that a cap existing means you must hit it. True, but CCP has stated multiple times that they want to make their events with less grind, this is one, if not the most grind event there is. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1690	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:53:00 - [7] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: I work full time and my girlfriend and her kid live with me. Never have had trouble capping. Takes about 9-10hrs on the norm. Hell I even managed to stay on top 10 weekly killboard last week. Those special events tho, 3 times the cap makes it nearly impossible to cap for the casual gamer. You're not a casual gamer though, neither am I, TBH. But for those who are casual, this event is pretty much impossible. If you're able to all that and maintain your life, power to you. But there are those who can't, and I think they should be given an opportunity to get that. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1690	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:58:00 - [8] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: So a small change We've change the flat SP bonus per kill amount from 50 to 250 SP, and 100 to 400. This does not change the standard 2x SP earning for base earnings or either the weekly cap or the bonus cap. So, just to clarify for everyone: 2x SP earned from all actions, weekly cap is doubled. This is affected by boosters exactly as a normal double SP event. Additionally, for every kill you will earn an additional 250 SP and 5,000 ISK, or 400 SP and 7,500ISK if you are using either of the Origin Suits. This is capped at 500,000 SP and 10mil ISK. This additional SP and ISK is not affected by boosters. All of the event pages and descriptions will be updated to match this. If anything is still unclear, please post your issue and I'll see what I can do. ah thanks for that, would you be so kind as to link me where he says that? The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1694	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:59:00 - [9] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Yes the event is bad and is extremely grindy. Take advantage and use a tank, then your origin suits will go much farther Or go to Oceania server with a few friends and revive kill your way to 10000. Or just play normally and forget their even is an event, the extra sp/isk is just bonus. I don't play for the events...because they are terrible. The event clearly states per infantry kill. I don't see how tanks would count. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1694	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:05:00 - [10] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Yes the event is bad and is extremely grindy. Take advantage and use a tank, then your origin suits will go much farther Or go to Oceania server with a few friends and revive kill your way to 10000. Or just play normally and forget their even is an event, the extra sp/isk is just bonus. I don't play for the events...because they are terrible. The event clearly states per infantry kill. I don't see how tanks would count. I assumed extra SP per infantry kill As in dead infantry Possibly, but the way I read it was you kill as a foot soldier. Can someone clarify on this? The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1694	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:47:00 - [11] - Quote Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: So what if its a promotion for the Origins pack?! Buy one or dont. Just because they put a hard cap on things doesnt mean they actually expect many if ANY to hit it. Just means...thats where the cap is. Good GAWD I will never cease to be amazed at the ** people will *** and moan about. If you have a problem with the event then dont participate. We all know it's about getting the origin pack. That wasn't what I was complaining about, I was talking about the massive grind this would put on the other players that want to grind it out. I had no real issue other than that, I do intend to get an origin pack, if only for the sexy new looks. CCP has also, as I have previously stated, that they want to avoid "grindey" events. Their original thought on the event would be one of the most grindey events in Dust. Besides, they already modified it, and the link should be somewhere above your comment. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1698	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:43:00 - [12] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: It IS a bit of a redundant subject... BUT, actually the idea that the event is alternately a scheme to "push" Origin Packs is one of the things I LIKE in this game, entertainment-wise. Let's make no mistake, a "Free" game (website, bicycle, dinner, etc) means PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE,... "Free" is just the catch phrase used by almost everbody who's marketting a product to you. The agency who's paying for the "free" thing, hopes to profit on the money they're spending, by getting SOMETHING from the free-users (namely, you and me). LOL, we shouldn't have a fit about that... that's business! Sony is the agency "paying" for your free use of Dust, so CCP agrees to push Sony-profitable items wherever/whenever. I don't mind---I think the way they've incorporated it into the "mercenary" mindset of the game is cool, and downright fun to read! The #1 pleasure of walking around in the warbarge was, for me, hearing the woman promoting Aurum. Promoting it like it was as steriod. "...makes you do FASTER", "short on time?--get AURUM". Confident, almost bedroom voice, "pushing" the "fast-way-to-muscle-up" in this game. I wish we'd have that bombarding our living quarter's video screen too--it would be hilarious! Dust 514 is not intended to "help" you play well. That, they want you to GRIND in order to develop. It's deliciously devious, but it falls in line with the way that the devs never seem urgently concerned with improving tutorial menus, offering ISK-free training modes, or special events that are free of CATCHES or CONDITIONS (call them, New Eden tricks). Heck, the greatest "trick" CCP pulled on players, is making you think that the "math" of the gear/vehicles/hitpoints will determine your success. (Your combat resourcefullness and ability to interact strategically with fellow players are what determine that--those are the two tools CCP deviously hinted for us to win the matches with). The math that some of us get steamed up about and call rubbish (but secretly are still hooked on like the rest of us---come on, you know you love this math like the statistician-betters at the casinos who think they've figured out a winning system),... this math is just the fun frosting flavoring the cake---it's still a GRIND-cake. It's always a GRIND cake. Derrith, it's always going to be a GRIND cake. !!!! Correction.... it's always a grind cake, WITH a built-in incentive to purchase a Sony-profitable steriod (like Aurum, or an Active-Booster, or Aur-pack with booster included, etc). Sony agreed to pay our membership-accounts in the game, so it's only business that they get their products promoted in "generous SP events" like this. As long as you don't raise your expectations above what I explained here, you stay mellow and the promotions don't deceive you TOO much. Maybe in fun, CCP's promotions are MEANT to deceive and be ambiguous. To me it's like Ishukone, Duvalle, Lai Dai, etc pushing whatever tech product they can on mercs: we're the new boys (and GALS) on the New Eden block, and there's just as much profit to be made by pushing "rubbish" events and tech to us, as there is from pushing "GOOD" events and gear to us. New Eden is devilish, but SO entertaining. Incidentally, Derrith, I like your character name. Always cool to see unpretentious but original, non-earthly names created by players for New Eden. First off, thanks for the compliment on my name. Yours is pretty good too. I know that this will be a giant grind cake, and I'm fine with that. But that isn't going to help CCP succeed in any way. My two main concerns is that people who wish to complete this and don't have the time will quit, and that will cause CCPs game to fail. I didn't play this game for over a year to see CCP grind it down to the crappiest thing since Mind of Mencia. So, on a side note, when you talked about the woman in the barge, did anyone else notice how sexual your paragraph sounded? Or was that just me? The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1702	Posted - 2014.04.30 18:39:00 - [13] - Quote BIind Shot wrote: +1 hot black b*tches..mmm Jada Fire. 'nough said. Heck yeah, whoever she is! Also, gotta love them Asian chicks! The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.